The Alchemy of Ascension Podcast
Your Compass to Ascension with Ronda Renée
Mar 15, 2022
Your Compass to Ascension with Ronda Renée
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[gentle music] Welcome to the Alchemy of Ascension Podcast, where we explore the multidimensionality of being divine presence embodied at this pivotal time between the old paradigm and the new earth.
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As we raise our consciousness, our awareness, and anchor higher frequencies into the body, we alchemize, we transform, we activate, we ascend. This ascension practice is what I call inception.
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As we bring more light and awareness into the body through the awakened heart, we become infinitely connected to all that is, the divine I am. I'm your host, Washayla Sananda.
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If you find this information helpful, your five-star review on iTunes will make a huge impact and make it possible for me to continue to bring you this life-changing work for free.
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We are all on this ascension journey together, growing and expanding as one big community of light. Thank you for doing your part and being part of this community. You are not alone.
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And today it's my pleasure to introduce you to Rhonda Renee. Welcome, Rhonda. Hello. So happy to have you here. My pleasure.
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So before we jump in, I would love to invite everyone to join us in a short meditation to get us all aligned and present and really here to receive whatever information is shared today.
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So let's begin by closing our eyes, tuning into the breath, just deepening into presence.
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And in that present moment, the present state, feel your heart tuning in to the light of the heart
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and feel that light glowing and growing and expanding out around the chest.
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And now bring your heart light up through the top of your head all the way up and tune in to Central Sun, the heart of Central Sun.
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Feeling that warmth, loving energy in the heart of Central Sun, and then bring that back down through the crown of the head, through the spine, lighting up your heart center, down to the base of the spine, and then all the way down to the center of the Earth and the heart of Mother Gaia.
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Feeling her nurturing heart energy. And then bring that heart light of the Mother Earth up
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through the Earth on roots of liquid crystal plasmic light, moving into the base of the spine and all the way up the spine. And then joining your heart center
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and combining the light from above, the light from below, and the light within, expanding that out to hold space for you so that whatever is for your highest good in this conversation today you may receive,
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and receive in a way that is meaningful and brings you more presence, more awareness, and more focus. And with that, I invite you to open your eyes. Thank you for joining me in that.
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And now I'd like to read a little bit about what Rhonda has been up to. Rhonda Renee is the founder of Divine Navigation and creator of the Divine Coordinates process.
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Rhonda guides business leaders and individuals to the extraordinary life their soul has in store for them.
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Rhonda is an internationally recognized speaker, facilitator, and three-time best-selling author, guiding individuals and indust- industry leaders to the success and fulfillment that can only be experienced by living and working in alignment with the soul.
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Rhonda continues to lead people through the self-discovery and personal transformation required to finally be living their most elevated, purpose-driven life with an unshakable connection to their soul. That's beautiful.
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I love that, that job description [laughs]. Um- Pretty good job [laughs]. Yes, yes. Wonderful. So, you know, I, I love when I...
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when it's the first time I've interviewed someone, I always love to start at the beginning and just kind of get an idea what led you to this work?
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What opened you up to have you jump into this type of purpose and soul work? Well, what a, what an interesting question.
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I mean, we could spend the whole, uh, time talking [laughs] about that, so I'll give you the super truncated version. Um, so I had a life that checked all the boxes, right?
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Like, I went to school, I got married, I had two great kids, I had a job actually making more money than I ever imagined that I would. And then I also got divorced. And then I got divorced again [laughs].
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And I started going, "Okay, people. [laughs] This is... I did all the things you told me would make me happy, and this is what I've ended up with," right? Even though, like, it looks good.
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I had multiple rental properties, right? Like, I had all the things, and- Yet I ended up in this, the same place time and again. So I went on a deeper... Right? I'd always ha- always had a spiritual bend.
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At, at 15, I was reading, um, books on shamanism and Seth, the Seth Materials, and, you know, so it wasn't like it wasn't part of my life, and yet that regular reality really interceded in the way that it tends to. And,
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and I went on this intense spiritual development journey. You know? I, I spent about two years and a couple hundred thousand dollars, you know, just going, "Okay, [laughs] like, let's figure this thing out."
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And, you know, I can skip a lot of the pieces that are involved in that. The one piece was what I call a soul tapping, where, uh, I was listening to a speaker.
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I was in a room of 800 people, and at the very end, this, this gal says, "Oh, yeah, by the way, we're training transformational trainers." And a, it was like a lightning bolt went up through my body.
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Now, at the time, I sold windows for custom homes, so totally, [laughs] like, oh, and I went to fashion college. [laughs] So all of these things look really disparate, but they're not.
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[laughs] Uh, but I had this lightning bolt go up through my body and I was like... I call it the Scooby-Doo. I was like, "Huh?" [laughs] If you, you know the Scooby-Doo reference. [laughs] Showing my age there.
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[laughs] So I, like, ran up to her and I said, "I don't know what it is, but I think it's me." And I don't, I don't tend to go, like, meet speakers or, you know, things like that.
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It's like, you can be great, and I don't need to know you personally to, to be able to, uh, receive and respect what I've received from you.
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And, uh, and sh- and I think I, I was a little bit frightening probably, and she's like, "Okay, okay, let me get you to somebody." She's... I'm like, "No, no, you don't understand. I think it's me."
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So I just had this knowing. I didn't even know what I was signing up for at the time, which was actually to do emotional authenticity workshops for teenagers.
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So that's how I started my coaching, um, and facilitation journey. However, it also all connects to my work now of Divine Coordinates.
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So fast-forward, um, I left my job at the top of my game really at a time when the construction industry was down, 2009, but my sales were not down. I, I s- I volunteered.
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I'm like, "Hey, if there's more people," and my boss was like, "What are you talking about? You're the last person we'd lay off." [laughs] And I just, I, I f- I just knew I had to take this leap.
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Um, and then everything I planned didn't work. Like, not a single thing I planned worked, because it wasn't supposed to.
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[laughs] And then I spent a good 10 months sitting in this one chair, is the way that it felt, and at the end of that, that is when my work of Divine Navigation began to make itself known. And I spent about, um,
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I would say it was about a five-month time period where it was really intense with the information coming in, you know, kind of testing it out and working with people and getting i- you know, information that really laid the foundation.
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Now, you know, over a decade later, the work has, uh, continued to grow and expand. It evolves itself. It's its own organic life force. Yeah. And, uh, mostly I just pay attention.
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[laughs] And the foundational parts of it all came in during that time period, during, like, the first five months. Not that... Like I said, I still am learning new things all the time.
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Um, but the core of the core that we still talk about today all happened from that beginning. So I hope that answers your question. [laughs] Yeah.
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Yeah, that's amazing, and I know exactly what you're talking about when you get that jolt, that like, oh, listen up, this is for me, you know?
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And, and, you know, sometimes we just get the little whisper, and sometimes we get the lightning, so... [laughs] Yeah, and it wasn't the end of the story. Right? Like, that was the...
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It's, it, the, we, we have those things that put us on path, but that isn't the path. Right? It's not the path itself necessarily. So I feel like we have to always still be willing to just keep walking. Oh, yeah.
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And know it. It's like the fork, the fork in the road. You gotta take this one, and then maybe it's that one, and just keep listening along the way, right? Mm-hmm.
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So I heard you, um, talk about Divine Navigation and how it's sort of taken on this life of its own.
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So for all of those who have never heard of it or have no idea what you're talking about, would you share about what is Divine Navigation? Yeah. I'd love to. It's something, obviously, I can talk about all day.
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[laughs] And, and luckily, I get to. So at the core of Divine Navigation is the Divine Coordinates process. So that is literally the map of your soul. Mm.
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It tells us the specific energetic frequencies that make up your soul. Right? I should say energetic qualities that make up the frequency of your soul. Mm. So we don't... Like, you are these things.
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Your coordinates do not change throughout your life, and if there are multiple lifetimes, they don't change then either, right? They came into being with the inception of your soul.
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They are the specific energies your soul intended to express and experience, and the pathways through which it intended to master itself.
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So first having the map, that identification of the Divine Coordinates, and we can't identify our own, because we don't have perspective.
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It's like trying to see the tip of your nose without having a mirror in front of you. Right?
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Like, you can kinda look and you kinda can get [laughs] like a little glance of it, but you're not able to get the full picture. So
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that, having that map first, then we activate your Divine Coordinates, because it also doesn't help just to know what they are.
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You have to understand how they work and get them working, and so we're teaching you how to vibrate at the frequency that your soul is actually meant to hold for the planet, right?
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Like, that's your purpose, is to hold a specific frequency here for yourself and for everyone. Not in a, not in a doing-ness, right? It's in the being-ness. And then from there, navigate your path
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so that you can, when you get to the fork in the road, you know what's right for you in every moment. You know which way to turn. You know when to turn around [laughs] and double back, right?
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Or when to wait by the side of the road, like in my story about sitting in the chair. Like, I, I needed to wait till these two timelines are, are in... you know, like, could c- match up with each other.
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Like, my receptivity and the work's availability, here we are intersecting. So, you know, in the end, we need our divine coordinates in order to live by divine navigation, but it is about being what I consider
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being, uh, vertically connected, right? That, the beautiful meditation you did, right? North/south, we call it. And then moving horizontally through the world, right?
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Being in the world but not of the world, and being able to walk the path step by step, not having to know the final destination, right? And destiny only means destination. It doesn't mean a specific one.
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But it's wherever you're going to end up. And so having the map to get, and activating your compass [laughs] to be able to end up where your soul really wanted you to be, that's what divine navigation is about. Wow.
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That sounds really helpful, especially for people that are like, "I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing with my life." [laughs] So does it elicit, uh, an, an understanding of purpose? Absolutely. Absolutely it does.
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There's a little extra distinction I make with purpose, um, and I kinda hinted to it. So I see purpose not as what you do, but who you are, who you're meant to be, right? So for me, everyone has the same purpose.
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That is to master and embody your own soul, because that's why you were sent here. Right? If you were born, you have a purpose.
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It's not like business owners or people with big movements are the only one that got tapped on the head by the purpose fairy. Like, [laughs] that's not, that's not how it works.
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You were born, so you're here for a reason. But it also doesn't have anything to do with size, right? Or scale or scope.
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It is the, uh, that energetic frequency where you're literally walking down the street sort of minding your own business and effecting change in the world. Mm-hmm. Right?
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It's happening, uh, because it's emanating from you, not because, you know, I have some big strategic plan in place.
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So, you know, when it comes to purpose, there are the people who feel like they don't know their purpose, and how do we make life more purposeful through mastering our own soul?
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And then there are people who want to do something in the world as an expression of that purpose. So there's, like, the distinction.
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There's the purpose, and then the expression of that purpose might be your business, it might be a mission. But those things are not your purpose. Mm-hmm. I get that. That's, that's really beautiful, and I know for...
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I know people who, who really feel like just being is enough. Like, it's just enough to just be and have the experience of being human, and that's a beautiful thing. However, it's very...
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it's discouraged in our, y- you know, busyness, our, our community. It's like, "No, you must produce. You must work. You must, you know, create. You have to be doing something."
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Um, and so I know that's, that's a challenge for people that don't have that drive to do, create, produce. Yeah. So I, I love that you brought that up, 'cause I do wanna make the distinction.
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I'm not saying sit back and do nothing, [laughs] right? I'm saying you don't need to get your paycheck from your purpose for it to be a purpose. Mm. Right?
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So subtle distinction, and I'm also saying don- not sit on the couch. Now, I, I joked about sitting in a chair for [laughs] 10 months. There are times in life, right, that are more of a pause.
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But I don't live my life that way. Um, you know, not at all. I have a very full schedule, um, lots of commitments, lots of people that I support, you know, an entire community and a team that helps me do that.
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That doesn't mean that I'm, I'm pushing for that purpose, right? I'm still listening for the inspirations.
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Um, you know, we just yesterday made an adjustment to some things we had planned because I was like, "Mm, that feels crunchy. It doesn't... It's not feeling aligned. I'm gonna move this, this, and this.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna not do this at all. I'm gonna move this to here, and we're just gonna, like, wait and see on this other thing." Right?
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So even when I am working with business owners, because we can take your divine coordinates and it actually tells us the one thing people will pay you for.
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No matter how you package it, [laughs] no matter how, how you promote it, the, the one thing people will pay you for is this energy. They just don't, aren't conscious of it.
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So we can take that and build it into your business, and be running your business from that place. So I'm always striving to do that. I'm not gonna say I do it perfectly, right?
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I'm still managing my human and my soul interface. [laughs] But when I can pause and, and be connected, then I know what I wanna say yes to.
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I mean, just like your invitation here, I think I said that to you, you know, when we first connected to explore me participating, was like, "Yep, it's a yes for me." You know?
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And, and there were parts on my team who thought, "Mm, I don't know," that this is the... You know, for whatever the reasons they had. I was like, "Nope, this is a yes." [laughs] Mm-hmm.
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So there's a dance with it, and I don't... No one is meant to just sit back.
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I mean, yes, there are people who can go and be in a cave and, you know, and effect change in the world, but what I really feel like is changing our world today is us being as present in the world as possible from the higher vibration, right?
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We aren't meant to exit. It isn't about escaping this, this reality and this space.
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It's about digging deeper into it, but from soul, to really anchor and then express and emanate and be inspired and follow those actions. Not doing for the sake of doing, which is, you know, what our society...
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Like, we have to be so busy to prove our, our value and our worth and, you know. I used to be one of those people, and it was exhausting. It...
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I mean, part of the reason I sat in a chair for 10 months is 'cause I had terrible adrenal f- adrenal fatigue for all [laughs] of those years. Yeah. You know, high-stress and pushing. Yeah.
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I, I thank you for sharing all that. I really, I really get that.
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And you said, I mean, the way you say, it is embodied ascension, and I actually have changed my terminology from just ascension to embodied ascension because people have this idea that, oh, it's about getting out, getting out, getting out.
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It's not. It's about bringing the frequency from within out and up and from within, though. And I like to say, we only have these bodies for a brief, you know, brief time. While we're here, let's make the most of it.
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Then we get to go, go fly. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, and, and the other thing that I, I love about that and I, I connect to it, you know, um, 'cause people will ask all the time, like, "Why am I dealing with this same pattern again in my life?" [laughs] You know?
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And just had this conversation two days ago with a, a client I've been working with for about a year or so, and she's like, "Why do I keep doing this?" And I'm like, "Ah. Yes, and because we all have... We have...
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Each of us has our divine coordinates and they don't change, we d- aren't learning different lessons." Like, that's the good news and the bad news, right?
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Our ascension is about how we manage the patterns that are already programmed, in essence, into our soul, not to trap us. It's not a trap. It's, it's the mastery component. It's the knowing, oh, here is my pattern.
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I call it the karmic handcuffs. [laughs] When we have our, uh... Maybe in a little bit we'll show a graphic.
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So in the, in your divine coordinates, it is like a compass, and you've got an energy in each direction, and then you have a culmination, and the heart and the mind are west and east, and the way they play together, they're on an infinity loop, right?
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So you have this infinity loop, but if you're trapped in a loop and you're not hitting south to north, it's like stick your hands right in that, [laughs] that infinity loop and you're in handcuffs. Mm-hmm. Right?
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You're running the same pattern. Yeah. So we have to unravel the pattern, land here in the south, in the physical reality, so we can go up. Mm. But not out. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. I, I love that. It...
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And it really brings to mind this experience I had recently. I was at a retreat, and I went out of body spontaneously. You know, you don't always... [laughs] You don't plan these things. It's...
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[laughs] Sometimes it just happens. I was in a safe place, and, um, you know, and I am so busy in my day-to-day life, when I go on a retreat, these things can happen.
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So, uh, what I, what I experienced was coming, like, out of my body. I was in my body and out of my body at the same time, but my perspective was both, which was really- Mm... interesting.
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And I was seeing this huge pattern around me, and I came to understand that this is my pattern.
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Like, this is the pattern of my soul embodied in this body, and that, you know, there were geometric formations that could actually be worked with, changed, manipulated, cleared.
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Like, there would be a foggy area, and I saw how I could go in and, like, clean that area and, and make it clear again and clear, consequently, a pattern that's been happening in my life. Mm.
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And it's very, um, connected to the way you're describing that. It's so cool. [laughs] It is so cool. [laughs] Yeah. It's brilliant. [laughs] Yeah, and I'm clairvoyant, so, you know, I...
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The visuals always kind of, they come with so much information, but they- Yeah... they, you know, it just makes perfect sense with what you're, um, what you're sharing.
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And before we move on, I did wanna, wanna just ask you one more question about, you said the one thing people will pay you for. Like, your... Yeah. I wanna know more about that.
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Like, w- what kind of thing are we talking about? Yeah. Um, let me see if I can put my hands on an example really quick, um, that... I was gonna say that's not me, but maybe it's just easier to use me. [laughs] Mm-hmm.
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Like, 'cause I, you know, most of the time I prefer to, like, show, show my clients. Um, and actually, before I do that, I'm gonna take a step back and just speak to the sacred geometry part.
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I don't know if you said sacred- Yes... but I heard sacred. [laughs] Oh, it is. [laughs] So our, um... I think I've already got this set up to share a portion if we needed these. Yeah. I think that's working.
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So this is the sacred symbol of Divine Navigation. Some people would call it a logo.
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Um, and I actually went through four or five designers before I got this, and the gal that I work with for my branding and for branding with many of my clients, um, sent this to me in the first 16 concepts.
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But here are some important pieces that will make sense as I explain some of the other details. You'll see in the center there's basically a pyramid, if you see that. Mm-hmm.
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And then that infinity loop I was talking about. Yeah. That's the, the west and the east, right? And then the north-south pillar, it's, it's really like a double-sided arrow because the energy is going up and down.
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It's why I loved your beautiful meditations, very similar to a centering that we do when we're gonna identify someone's coordinates to, you know, like, get them into that space. So, um, I...
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So that is gonna help, I think, when I show you this next piece. So these are my divine coordinates, and I'll just walk through it.
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Um, I can also, depending on how much time we have and what feels right, there's plenty of places I can get more information to anyone who's interested. So we don't need to worry if we don't cover it, so I'm just...
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I feel like I need to assure those [laughs] that are listening because it's very, very layered and, uh, rich. [laughs] So each direction. Uh, actually I'm gonna step back, and I'm gonna just give it to you all at once.
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So west is where everything activates, starts the tumbler effect. That's the heart.
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It's the way you express and the way you experience unconditional love, and it's also the place where we have our greatest wounding, so it's why we skip over it.
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And then we go- have the east, which is more of the go-to for most of the society. It's very mental, cognitive. Um, that's the way we view the world, the way we perceive the world.
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The way you can think about this is, is my, my energy in the west is the energy that my heart should be holding. Like, all of my feelings should hold this particular energy.
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All of my thoughts should hold this particular energy if I'm in alignment with my soul. So then the south is our approach to the world.
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It's more of the action space, and so in modern society, we run between east and south very frequently, right? That's the primary. Thinking and doing, thinking and doing, thinking and doing.
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Now, there are people who are in reaction of emotion, and then also wanting to escape the world, right?
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So [laughs] it's not like there's only one pattern that can happen, but all of those are a dysfunction in the coordinates because they're meant to go from west to east.
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So from the heart space in affecting our mind, inspiring our actions, connecting us to spirits, which is really our highest ideal, right? It's the expression of spirit through you, your highest ideal.
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Now, when all of those are working the way that they're supposed to [laughs] which is in a bit of a spiral, right?
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West, east, south, and north, then up through the center of that pyramid is the peak experience that your soul wants to have, right? So it's your vision for the world.
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So when it comes to what people will pay you for, this is all just to lay the foundation to answer your question [laughs] is the north-south is what you do. The west-east is how you do it.
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Those are your tools for transformation, and the center, the divine coordinate at the peak, is your soul's motivation. Your ideal client may not be interested in that or they may not know that they want that,
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but they're gonna get it because it's the magic. It's the real magic of the result of what you do. So that being said, here are my divine coordinates.
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So when we're working with divine coordinates for the individual, we first focus on the receiving mode which would look like, "I am truth empowered through authenticity and possibility, recognizing potential."
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When I'm doing it for other people, it's, "I empower truth through authenticity and possibility, recognizing potential."
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So whether I'm working with a, um, successful professional, for example, whose life works like I was, right? Like my work. Everybody's like, "What's your problem? What are you complaining about?
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You got all the things and the did all the stuffs" and, um, those people are looking for more satisfaction, right? Thinking that, you know, they told me that satisfaction would come with success, and it didn't.
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Well, that's because it's actually the other round. Success comes from satisfaction of your soul.
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Or with a business person, right, who doesn't wanna run their business in a pushy, you know, like, try to make it happen as if you think you're the one doing it all, right? Like, that's...
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My joke is I just work here [laughs] you know? Like, listen and obey. I just work here. Tell me what I'm supposed to do, right? And I'm asking my soul. My soul is my business partner in all of this.
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So either way, I'm only a one-trick pony [laughs] and so are you, and so you and you and you and you, right? We are all one-trick ponies.
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There's a thing that we are so masterful at but also really unconscious of and inhibited by the dysfunctions happening in our own soul, in those coordinates and how they're supposed to work. So I empower truth.
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That's what I do. I actually don't know how to do anything else, and it's not my truth, right? It's your truth. It's about the divine presence within you, and how I do that is have people become
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congruent in their expression, right? In their expression, in their experience, um, in f- in making sure internally they're emotionally congruent first and then can share that way.
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Then look at what are the aligned choices for them, right?
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What's really possible for them, not as in, like, anything's possible, but there's some distinctions between what's simply an opportunity, an agenda, and it looks like it should work, or what's really aligned for you.
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Because with those two pieces, truth is empowered, and then you're gonna see your potential. I can see it, [laughs] right? Like, that's a skill that I have always had.
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It's like my absolute superpower, and the way that I have everybody else see it is through these other four directions. So was that clear? Yeah. Yeah, I love that, and you know, I love the graphics.
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I love that, you know, just recognizing potential. That's powerful, and it's so helpful to have somebody else, you know, recognize potential in another, and I think that's what coaching is all about.
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You know, I'm, I'm always... I'm all about having coaches for, you know, various things because to have that reflection is so important, and like you said, we don't always see ourselves clearly.
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We have this kind of muddy version of, of, you know, who we are sometimes, and the world can reflect it in a certain way, but a coach or, you know, somebody that's helping us see that can really clear things up.
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Yeah, and I, I, I absolutely am 100,000% with you. We all need that support, right?
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Like, and, and every coach should have a coach [laughs] in my, in my opinion, and I, and I walk my talk on that, and there is a piece where it's really gotta be a neutral third party, right?
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Like, sometimes we have people in our lives, and what they're reflecting to us is what they want from us, who they know us to be, right? And just because you've been being someone doesn't mean that's who you are.
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So the extra piece, right, i- is that that, and a coach would be, but if it's a confidant or a friend or things like that, I learned the hard way that those people are not always neutral.
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They have skin in the game, and you changing or not changing affects their reality, and they may not be as neutral and really be seeing all that you are. That's, that's... There, there's an expertise on that neutrality
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean, a partner is, is always gonna be a partner. Friends are always gonna be friends, right? I mean, certainly there are friends that are gonna be more straightforward than others, but there is...
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Yeah, there... It's, it is a beautiful thing to have someone that is not, uh... That doesn't want anything other than to stand for you and, and like you said, kind of point the way, like the compass.
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And that's the beauty of, of having a coach, because they're usually not a friend or not in your inner circle or not someone that you're in partnership with. They're a coach, and that is that.
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Um, they have a different, a different way of seeing things and reflecting them back, and then helping us see them ultimately. Yeah, absolutely.
31:42
Yeah, my greatest desire is that people then know how to navigate themselves, right? Like, that's... I, I... In the... At the end of the day, I don't wanna tell you what direction to go.
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I wanna show you how to identify the directions [laughs] you know, and so that you can keep navigating your path of ascension. I mean, it really is ascension, but I refer to it as everyday ascension, right?
32:03
Yeah Like, here, now, let's... You know, we're doing this thing in our lives, not separate from our lives. Yes, absolutely. And you have... You're... Is it a show that you have called Everyday Ascension?
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Oh, it's a talk that I do. Yeah, it's a- Oh... it's a... Yeah, yeah, with just... We've... And we've hit on some of the pieces, um, already. Uh, yeah. Yeah. It's, um... I'm just thinking.
32:28
My brain's going, "Okay, we said we were gonna give this thing to everybody," but, uh, we can certainly throw that in. Um, my team will [laughs]
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probably squawk at me, but I can find a way to add that in to what we, um- The Everyday Ascension talk? Yeah, absolutely. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You, you did... Your gift is, um... It's a mini... It's, it's...
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What does it say? Experiential- Mm-hmm... mini audio training. Is that a different thing? It's a different thing. Yeah, it's a different thing. It's a different thing. Do you want me to share that now?
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Well, you might as well since I- Okay. [laughs] I'm like, it's my fault because I started going... I started thinking about all the things. Um, I mean, there's always so, there's always so much I wanna give.
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But the reason that I initially chose the... It's a training about that west coordinate in essence that I was talking about, right? This is the thing. That's the direction where we have our greatest wounding.
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If we look at all of the divine coordinates, it is like your soul's lesson plan. But until we get the west cleared, we can't activate the progression of that ascension, right?
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And you get stuck in this loop and in these patterns. So this is a super potent... It's literally 15 minutes long, but it's mind-blowing. Um, and it... And I... Don't be afraid of it.
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[laughs] Just feel like I need to say that to anybody. I'm not gonna make you feel bad, like, just because I said it's your area of wounding. Um, but it helps you identify some of what's blocking that ascension, right?
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Like, what's in the way of you getting able to have the progression of mastery of your soul in your life, and have that then reflected in your life. So it's super powerful exercise. It's about 15 minutes long.
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Um, and then, and then this is the juicy part. So tell me what your emotion is, right?
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Send me an email and tell me what your emotion is, and everyone who is participating in this event, we're gonna put everybody in a hat and we're gonna give away four, uh, complimentary sessions, divine next step sessions.
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That's not where you'll get your divine coordinates identified, but you'll be able to see more of what's keeping you from living from your soul. And of course we'll share...
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I'll, I'll share anything that you wanna know about the continuing programs, but it's really about just having you see what's your divine next step.
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What is it that you need to move forward in your ascension, in your life towards mastery. Wow. Yes, I love that, and thank you for creating that for, for the viewers.
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Um, I know everyone's gonna wanna, wanna grab that and experience it. Um, yeah, something that you talked about is, um, you know, like, having... Like, what's blocking you and what's in the way of your ascension.
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And I- Yeah... feel like that is, um... In, in my work, I... Like, every, every really powerful transformational course has something on this, because it's really foundational.
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And I call it the dark seed, excavating the dark seed of the heart. That's the core wound. But, um, so you have a, a method for, for finding that and then sort of, like, bringing light or transforming that- Yeah...
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that wound? Well, and I can, I can mention. I mean, here's the... There's a few things. There are four core things that I see that are blocking your ascension, if you'd like me to share those. Yeah, I'd love that.
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Please. Um, the first one is really your personality, right? It's your personality identity, and that's what... who you know yourself to be, who you've already been being, who you're in the habit of being.
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Because who you've been being and who you're used to being doesn't necessarily have anything to do with who you're designed to be, right?
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Like, there's all this stuff that's the gunk [laughs] that's gotten on us over our lifetime or lifetimes, and, and that's all in the way, right? And we get really identified with that.
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Another one is what I refer to as your spiritual identity, and that is, you know, a sort of like the spiritual ego that says, you know, I... This might trigger some people, but it's like, you know, "I'm so spiritual.
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I already know my purpose," and it really blocks off being able to learn more about ourselves, right? Being... Anything that's identity, being willing to drop that and really go into self-discovery that asks, "Who am I?"
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Yeah. Right? In a way that we're not gonna get from the outside world, right? The whole world wants to tell you who you are, [laughs] so... or who you should be. So when it comes to-
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You know, identifying people's divine coordinates, someone's divine coordinates, you know, it's not about me telling you who you are.
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It's about giving you experience of that so that you can connect with it and cultivate it, right? So then the next one is that wounding. We've talked about this one y- a lot.
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Um, it's the ways we unconsciously protect, and we don't actually give ourselves the chance to receive all the love that's actually present. But the key distinction is, is that there is a particular flavor, right?
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Um, in our public Facebook group, someone just asked me y- uh, the other day, um, a, you know, she got her coordinates years ago, and she said, "Oh, somebody asked this question about what does it take to be seen and understood."
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She's like, "I realized it's my appreciation energy of my west coordinate. Is it that simple?" And I'm like, "Yeah. It is that [laughs] simple," because seen and understood is another way to say loved, right?
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And so each of those is different, right? She needs that energy of appreciation, but also has a pattern of feeling unappreciated, so can't even feel when appreciation's coming at her, right?
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Mine's authenticity, and so if someone isn't allowing me to be authentic, then I'm not gonna feel loved if they're not gonna let me just be me.
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And then at the same time, you know, I've had a pattern of going like, "They just won't let me be me," right? So we [laughs] like we're a- we're in essence creating our own suffering in the whole scenario, right?
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And it's keeping us stuck. And then the, the other one is... I'll... I also mentioned this, those karma handcuffs, right? So there's a paradox inside of our divine coordinates. It's the classic heart/mind split.
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It's where these two energies are seemingly in opposition to one another. So because you saw my coordinates, I'll use that as the example.
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So I have authenticity in the west and possibility in the east, and w- and the frame is how do I get authenticity and possibility to be in the same space?
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Because what it looks like in my life historically is that when I'm authentic, I shut down the possibility. Mm. If I chase the possibility, then I am sacrificing my authenticity.
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But they're on a, an infinity loop, and they're supposed to dance together. So when they're not, those, that infinity loop becomes the handcuffs. So how do we break apart that pattern and get them to work together?
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So to m- those are the four core things that I see that block ascension, and for me, ascension is the ability to move through the base of the pyramid at the, at the center of our sacred symbol. And let me...
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Actually, I'm gonna use this visual again really quickly to show because I think this will make a difference in the way that you're seeing this. So with the center of the symbol here, right, is the pyramid. Mm-hmm.
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So if we look at it as, you know, we're going through each of those four foundational corners, and then we're reaching up through the peak to get to the peak experience, right? But then guess what?
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This is where the ascension comes in. You go through the base. You go up through the peak.
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You get what I call hang time, where, like, you're kind of floating and things are good and nothing needs to change, and then your soul says, "Okay, time to grow again," [laughs] and we go up into the base of another pyramid, and we're going through the cycle.
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That's why people say, "I'm dealing with this again?" No, you're dealing with the same energetic pattern on another level. And guess what? There's another one. [laughs] So the stairway to heaven is built out of pyramids.
40:35
I love that. That's ascension. Yes, yes. Very... It's, it's all so correlated with... I mean, it's everything that... The way I see it, too, I call it the spiral staircase, where you're- It-...
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always going up, but sometimes you're coming around the backside, and then you level up, and then you come around the backside, [laughs] right? See, that's why I knew we had... I was like, "Yes, this is a yes."
40:56
[laughs] I didn't care what my team said. [laughs] I'm like, "I don't wa- I don't care what the calendar says. We're gonna move something," [laughs] and we did. Yeah, yeah, and those patterns, you know, they keep coming.
41:04
A new level of the pattern comes to be cleared, and a new, you know, new, I guess, pyramid of the pattern is, uh, is, is always, always, there's always more. There...
41:16
And that's, that's kind of the beauty of it because as long as we're here, we are always evolving. There's always this opportunity to continue the journey, and it will continue until we stop. Yes, yes. Yeah. Absolutely.
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Mm-hmm. We're just...
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And also as you were speaking about, um, you know, the blocks and how, um, we'll say when somebody wants, uh, acknowledgement, just craving acknowledgement, um, or any, you know, whatever it is, it's, uh, this idea that we, we get to give away what we need the most.
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So when, you know, like a lot of times when we want acknowledgement, we might be critical or tear someone down. You know, and just in society I see this happen a lot. It's like that person is actually...
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You know, think of high school, for instance, right? [laughs] Um, what, what, uh, what- That's me... a girl wants, right? What a girl wants in high school is recognition, admiration, just to be seen.
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And, and, uh, many will say, many of the girls, not all of them. But, um, but a lot of times then what she'll do is try and make others feel less than- Mm...
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which is exactly the opposite of what w- you know, what really works, is to give what you want, to give recognition, acknowledgement, love, um, words of affirmation, and then people are going to start recognizing you and giving them back.
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And th- and this is where the block becomes a challenge though, right? Because it, you may not be able to receive it. As an example, I was giving a...
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If even when the gal who has appreciation in her west, um, that- Even when it's coming at her because she hasn't given herself the appreciation, right?
43:00
So that's the, the other nuance to add there is, you know, there's the personality drivers, and they come out. They're, they can, they can be the divine coordinates coming out sideways, you know.
43:13
And it's true that you are meant to give these things, but you can't give what you don't have, right? So until, in your example, until this sweet teenager sees herself- Mm-hmm...
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then she's never gonna really fully feel seen. Yeah. Right? And so we can... Acknowledgment is a great example.
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Um, I've had, you know, people with acknowledgement or recognition in the West, um, and it's an interesting...
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creates an interesting pattern because it basically, if they're looking for it from outside, it will never be enough.
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There can never be enough acclaim, accomplishment, right, validation, until they are giving it to themselves. That's when I was talking about when we do the, for the individual, the receptive mode, I am.
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That's, it isn't just that I am truth. I'm truth, I'm empowerment, I'm authenticity, I'm possibility.
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I'm each one of those things, and they need to work in their specific role in order for me to have the satisfaction and fulfillment that my soul is gonna feel, right?
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Like, we c- there's nothing outside of us that's gonna fill the hole where our soul belongs. Nothing. That's our job to fill that. Absolutely.
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That's where that self-love, self-care is so important and so hard for so many people. Um, again, not installed in us in this culture, um, y- you know, very, in very many places.
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And- And they don't hand us our divine coordinates chart when we come out of the womb either and go, "Here. Here's how to care for yourself." [laughs] Yeah, yeah, and give one to the parents so they know, right?
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[laughs] It would be so handy. Oh, we could go... That just, you just made a, a whole thing pop. We have a whole training around family of origin, right? And why you were born into a certain family.
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You know, like hoping and wanting and thinking that they're gonna give us the things that we want, and they're never going to be able to do that. Again, you have to give it to yourself. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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It's not gonna come from anyone else. Quite often they're shining the light on what we don't have, right? [laughs] We're put into environments, not just our families of origin, but everywhere in our lives.
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We're put into environments and situations and circumstances where our energies are needed so that we can learn to be the source of that energy.
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So as long as we're looking for those energies outside of us, we're gonna feel very deflated, right, and disappointed, because it's not coming from out there. It's meant to come from in here. Yeah. I, I do. I get that.
45:47
That's beautiful. Yes. So where does a person start if they want to, they want to get that fulfillment from within?
45:59
The first step that people can practice immediately is being what I refer to as internally stor- sourced over externally referenced. Mm.
46:09
And the first step in that, this is where we're so beautifully aligned, right, is an embodiment piece. So being able to pay attention, there's two questions that, that we work with all the time. Start with where am I?
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Which seems sort of obvious. Like, okay, I'm in my office. [laughs] I'm in my house. But what I'm really referring to is checking in with where your awareness is.
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So as long as you're not driving or something listening to this, um, ta- you know, take a moment and maybe close your eyes and see, okay, can I locate my awareness? Which is the part of you that's watching you.
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It's not necessarily connected to your body. And see if you can locate where that is. Wherever it happens to be, just acknowledge it, and then invite it into your body.
46:57
Now ultimately, I direct people to bring it down into the solar plexus. So let it land wherever it wants, and then invite it to drop down really into your core.
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Your solar plexus is the place where your soul enters [laughs] and, right, the umbilical cord is there. It's where the divine coordinates live. You're taking up, your individuation is in this space. Mm.
47:22
So practicing what it's like to be embodied and to be aware of the embodiment, right? We walk around so disembodied in the world so frequently. Even as you're walking down the street, play with it, right?
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See how much more people actually notice you when you're in your body versus when you're not in your body, [laughs] right? So that's one piece. Where am I?
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And then when am I, is the second question, which is really kind of a funky, you know, like, what? [laughs] And of course, plenty of people are talking about being in the moment.
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The secret is, I know you know this secret, Mishaila, is you gotta be in your body first. So that's why we start with where am I, 'cause you cannot be in the present moment if you are not present in your body.
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And when am I is just checking in with, okay, am I ruminating on something that happened last week? Am I projecting and worried and anxious about something I think is gonna happen or might happen, so I'm in the future?
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But how do I be fully present and in my body in this moment? And the more you can stay there, the more your soul can communicate with you.
48:23
The more time you spend in your solar plexus, the more, more all the other residue is getting pushed out so that you can take up the space [laughs] of your own soul, right? Mm.
48:34
So all of that is gonna help with the internal sourcing.
48:38
And the external referencing is when we get, when we, anytime we get pulled out, when we're looking for something from the outside world, or we're identifying with our circumstances as having anything to do with who we are.
48:51
Um, if we think we need to be something else, if we're projecting or proving, you know, posturing or positioning, like all of that stuff, it's all about external referencing.
49:01
So the more we can become observant of the outside world-... detached from it, given of course that possibility is, is we're able to do that, that that ability is because we've become embodied first, right?
49:15
And notice how your, how your day feels different, notice how your choices are different. You know, so that's the simplest way,
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um, you know, to just start to work with your soul, you know, and become aware, begin to trust yourself and your, your instincts, your intuitions. That's all guidance. Yeah.
49:34
Ooh, that was golden, and no, it really, it, it makes me think about, um, when we, when we think of where, the where am I piece, when we're thinking, when we're worrying, when we're in fear, it's usually thinking about something that isn't immediately threatening.
49:54
You know, bringing it back to, am I in harm's way right now, in this moment? Yeah. Usually the answer's no. I'm thinking about a possibility of something that might happen, and causing myself stress or, or worry over it.
50:09
And if we can just keep coming back from that, pulling ourselves back, then we'll have much less fear and worry and concern, and much more grounding.
50:17
There's none of that in the present moment, and souls don't get fearful or triggered or anxious. If you're feeling any of those feelings, you're in your personality, you're not in your soul. Yeah. Right?
50:28
The soul is eternal and timeless, and only exists in the present moment. It, the only functionality the soul understands is present moment awareness.
50:37
So, uh, you know, all of those things that pull us out are, are basically pulling you out of your soul. But I feel like it's important to say that doesn't mean you don't function in the world, right?
50:48
Like, it, it's n- don't, please don't anybody make it mean that. I'm not talking about, you know, being in meditation, but what if you lived your life as a meditation? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
50:58
That's what we're being challenged to do. Yeah. And, you know, and you can be walking and being present all the time. Mm-hmm.
51:07
It just takes that focus and that pulling yourself back from wherever we go [laughs] all day long, right? Yeah. That's where we- Like re- reading a book, I love to, I love to practice it reading a book.
51:17
You know, I try to check with myself obviously throughout the day [laughs], but e- but if I'm just sitting reading a book, I'll, I'll like, that's a great place.
51:24
It looks like it's passive, but I can make it really active and feel like, am I on the pages of the book or am I here seeing the pages of the book? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that internal movie experience. Mm-hmm. Oh, wonderful.
51:36
Well, this hour has flown by, and I've loved this discussion so much, and I, I wanna remind everyone to grab your free gift. I'll have the link attached. And, um, and I, I just feel like this,
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I know there are people that, that wanted and needed to hear this information today.
51:57
Um, I can just, I, there are so many gold nuggets in [laughs] what you just shared, so thank you so much, Rhonda, for everything that you shared and for your generosity. Mm. Thank you for having me.
52:08
Such a pleasure to, to be in the space with you. Yeah, absolutely, my pleasure. And to everyone watching and listening, thank you so much for tuning in.
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